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  • Actual english speaking combat patrol.
    "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
    George Orwell

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    • "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
      George Orwell

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      • "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
        George Orwell

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        • UKRAINE

          Published January 25, 2023 1:49pm EST Israel rejects US request for Hawk missiles in aid to Ukraine

          Israel says no change in posture amid war in Ukraine


          By Caitlin McFall , Yonat Friling | Fox NewsVideo WATCH LIVE: President Joe Biden delivers remarks on continued support for Ukraine


          The United States has sent significant amounts of military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine since Russia's invasion began.

          Israel on Wednesday rejected the U.S.’ request to send Hawk missiles to Ukraine as the Washington looks to bolster defenses for Kyiv ahead of a looming Russian offensive.

          The Biden administration asked for old Hawk anti-aircraft missiles that Jerusalem had in storage as air defense remains a top priority for Ukraine, first reported Axios.

          "The policy of the security echelon has not changed," a spokesperson from the Israeli Ministry of Defense told Fox News. "Each request is examined on its merits. Beyond that, we do not refer to additional details."

          Israeli anti-aircraft Hawk Missile Battery aiming for Iraq. (David Rubinger/CORBIS/Corbis via Getty Images)

          US TRANSFERS MILITARY WEAPONS STOCKPILE FROM ISRAEL TO UKRAINE

          The request’s rejection comes just one week after the U.S. said it transferred thousands of artillery shells from weapons stockpiles in Israel to Ukraine and said it would take similar steps in South Korea.

          The U.S. is "looking under every rock" for munitions, an official told Fox News.

          Both Israel and South Korea have vowed not to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, and neither country has broken that promise – though some fear Russia could argue allowing the U.S. to siphon arms from their stockpiles constitutes aid, some reporting suggested earlier this month.

          Ukraine also took issue with the new Netanyahu administration after Israel’s recently appointed foreign minister, Eli Cohen, held a call with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in early January and suggested Jerusalem was pursuing a policy change when it came to diplomatic relations with Moscow.

          The call was the first time an active Israeli foreign minister had contacted Lavrov since the war in Ukraine had begun in February 2022.

          Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen speaks during press conference in Jerusalem on Jan. 2, 2023. (Israel Foreign Ministry / Handout/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images)

          UKRAINE DECRIES ISRAEL, RUSSIA CHAT AND SUGGESTS 'CHANGE OF POLICY' AMID NEW NETANYAHU ADMIN

          Israel’s silence when it comes to condemning Russia’s actions in Ukraine has caused a diplomatic riff between the two nations, even though from the campaign trail, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared to suggest that under his administration Israel may be prepared to send more than humanitarian aid to Kyiv.

          That suggestion appears to have been contingent on Ukraine’s stance when it comes to the Israel-Palestinian issue.

          Netaynahu attempted to solidify Kyiv’s alliance with Jerusalem when he asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to reject a U.N. resolution this month that called on the International Court of Justice to provide a legal opinion on the ramifications of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands.

          Zelenskyy pushed back and asked for guarantees on air support from Israel to stop Russian strikes, to which Netanyahu reportedly said he would consider.

          Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy attends meeting with military officials as he visits the war-hit Mykolaiv region June 18, 2022. (Ukrainian Presidential Press Office via AP)

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          The Ukrainian leader was apparently not convinced by the noncommittal answer and instead instructed his U.N. diplomat not to attend the vote – a move that sidestepped Netanyahu’s request.

          Netanyahu was reportedly disappointed by the decision.

          Caitlin McFall is a Reporter at Fox News Digital covering Politics, U.S. and World news.
          ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. THEN GOD CREATED DESTROYER SAILORS.

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          • Caitlin's got some nice Tit's.

            Just saying.
            "Weapons are part of my religion"

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            • So we are sending 31 Abrams to the Ukrainians because that's how many they have in their Tank Battalions which still have to be trained....along with all their Mechanics and support personnel.

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              • Originally posted by Dustoff262 View Post
                Actual english speaking combat patrol.
                I've watched a few of these Go Pro combat clips featuring Western Volunteers as well - it's winter and the war has gone on for nearly a year.

                ."they are mostly Veteran soldiers now the cowards and shirkers are Long gone" Gen. Armistead CSA

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                • Originally posted by AZTN View Post
                  So we are sending 31 Abrams to the Ukrainians because that's how many they have in their Tank Battalions which still have to be trained....along with all their Mechanics and support personnel.
                  There is no way to train up the ukes on tanks they've never used before UNLESS for the past year they have secretly trained them and now they are trusted enough to take possession of our equipment.

                  Putin won't sit still for this. Transportation rails are (should be) a high value target, especially in the remote areas. Fuel depots have been hammered and destroyed systematically so getting fuel to these thirsty beasts make them a target too.
                  "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
                  George Orwell

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                  • Originally posted by Dustoff262 View Post

                    There is no way to train up the ukes on tanks they've never used before UNLESS for the past year they have secretly trained them and now they are trusted enough to take possession of our equipment.

                    Putin won't sit still for this. Transportation rails are (should be) a high value target, especially in the remote areas. Fuel depots have been hammered and destroyed systematically so getting fuel to these thirsty beasts make them a target too.
                    Honestly, from what I understand, most of the javelins weren’t used for tanks. They were used for the supply and fuel trucks. Plus they have a shit road system so they are dependent on rail.

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                    • Originally posted by Jobsecurity View Post

                      Honestly, from what I understand, most of the javelins weren’t used for tanks. They were used for the supply and fuel trucks. Plus they have a shit road system so they are dependent on rail.
                      I'd bet most Russian tanks were taken out by other means and/or just plain abandoned as the terrified Russian's ran like hell. Artillery took out a lot, drones did too. ATGM's did take out a fair amount but these are very expensive missiles and the Ukies have been trained by US and Brit special forces to I.D. the command tank and take that out. Once a bunch of Russian's lose their leader they are a headless bunch of rats. They are not trained to show initiative like the American army does.

                      And like Jobs said once you eliminate the support vehicles the tank is pretty much taken off the board. The M1 Abrams is a support intensive tank. Its almost like maintaining a Jet fighter because it pretty much has the same kind of engine driving it. Its a fuel hog and needs a special type of fuel to run best. The Logistic chain to support it is probably the biggest hurdle the Ukies have to over come.
                      "Weapons are part of my religion"

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                      • Point of Order...

                        They aren't German Tanks.

                        They're PANZERS.

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                        • Then there is the question what Abram's are we going to send them? We can't send them the latest, or even the A2's manufactured in the '80s because they have a special type of armor thats classified TS. Or was at least. Its the only tank in the world that has depleted uranium in its armor and it and the ceramics make it very, very survivable. Plus the design itself makes it very survivable.

                          None of the export variants have such armor and were in the middle of upgrading our own M1's to the M1A2 sepv3 and 4 standard which includes this secret armor. So it would be a challenge to refurbish older ones in storage tho its a small number. We have foreign customers waiting for their's but none will have the depleted uranium included. As far as I know were the only ones to use such armor.

                          The Leopard-ll is a very good tank with probably the best daytime optics on the planet and its less labor intensive and has a long range, but its loud.

                          Theres also the question of Israeli tech being used in the form of the Trophy active protection system. The tank needs it, first off, or it may not survive. The Russian's do have top attack ATGM's and a pretty good and long range Laser guided ATGM called Kornet. They could probably at least disable a M1 or Leopard ll and we'd need the Jews to OK the tech transfer and they have been squirrelly about helping Ukraine. Trophy also needs additional training for infantry because you dont want your own guys around when the thing pops off and you dont want anyones head sticking out of the tank.

                          On the bright side the attack rotaries of the Russian's have been largely taken off the board. The vaunted Ka-52's have turned out to be big pieces of shit. Even when they havn't been shot out of the sky they have been falling apart. Vibration induced fatigue has been a serious problem for them and that kind of thing is the worst thing you could want in a helicopter. Your primary attack helicopter most of all. Its having all kinds of design problems and theres no fix for them, meanwhile, the western supplied MANPAD's are shooting them out of the sky.
                          "Weapons are part of my religion"

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                          • Originally posted by Harry Callahan View Post
                            Point of Order...

                            They aren't German Tanks.

                            They're PANZERS.
                            And they have names Like Panther, Tiger, Lowe (Lion - not built) , Maus (Mouse - Prototype) and Leopard.

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                            • Peter Zeihan’s thoughts on the tanks. Seems like it was just cover for the Germans to allow Panzers.
                               

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                              • Originally posted by CPD39 View Post

                                I'd bet most Russian tanks were taken out by other means and/or just plain abandoned as the terrified Russian's ran like hell. Artillery took out a lot, drones did too. ATGM's did take out a fair amount but these are very expensive missiles and the Ukies have been trained by US and Brit special forces to I.D. the command tank and take that out. Once a bunch of Russian's lose their leader they are a headless bunch of rats. They are not trained to show initiative like the American army does.

                                And like Jobs said once you eliminate the support vehicles the tank is pretty much taken off the board. The M1 Abrams is a support intensive tank. Its almost like maintaining a Jet fighter because it pretty much has the same kind of engine driving it. Its a fuel hog and needs a special type of fuel to run best. The Logistic chain to support it is probably the biggest hurdle the Ukies have to over come.
                                Last I knew the tanks could run on gas, diesel or JP. Same with the Humvee and other military vehicles.

                                The M1A1 Abrams main battle tank s a further development of the M1 Abrams. The M1A1 was revealed in 1985 with production commencing the same year. This main battle tank is currently in service with USA, Australia and Egypt.


                                Essentially it is a modified helicopter engine, adapted for use on tanks. It is a multi-fuel engine, which can run on any grade of petrol, diesel, aviation fuel or kerosene
                                ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. THEN GOD CREATED DESTROYER SAILORS.

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