Police pursuit training!

[Lawdog138]

Doing a two day course and I’ll never look at a turn, corner, or curved road the same again. Unlike the NYPD, this department teaches to pursue. Excellent training.

They teach how to see apex lines, to hit those apex lines and go through the course. They then throw you numerous chase scenarios so you learn to calmly go over the radio while chasing a bad guy at high rates of speed, and negotiating the track pushing the RMP to its limit. They will have civilian cars drive the track while you are chasing as well.

Wish this training was a week long.

[CPD39]

I was taught to pursue. I think 3 courses, one of them in a State course. I learned a lot, when you push a vehicle to its limits you learn both its and your own limitations. When I started I had terrific reflex's and loved a good chase, both auto and foot. And back then we chased for everything. I was once in a chase to that went to WI. which started as a blown stop sign, "he had a hit car it turned out".

In the 2nd 1/2 of my career the only thing I felt worth chasing for was if someone stole my paycheck or had maybe grabbed a $20 double out of my hand. I started to hate chases. Then after I got dinged up I saw first hand how many coppers got screwed for life or seriously injured from them. A buddy got tore up in one, his FTO partner killed. And heres the thing, it was his experienced FTO doing the driving. Yeah, they were out of the District fucking off when a 10-1 came out when they were no-where near even close enough to to even warrant a response let alone a balls out run down Kedzie ave. . John cracked and was killed and my buddy was grievously wounded. It wasn't Kimball ave ; It was Kedzie, at least thats my memory. A good guy killed for nothing. A good guy, injured for life for nothing. I worked with John, a good guy but heavy on the pedal when he was old enough to know better. https://www.odmp.org/officer/395-pol...r-john-j-lyons

So I came to find out, after I got hurt, that these make up probably 90% of auto crack ups and auto accidents made up 90% of OTJ injuries. That is responses to either bullshit jobs or to incidents to far away to warrant such speed. I still think pursuit training is valuable because there are times where you just have to go fast, even in these shit hole city's. Its the teaching of common sense thats hard. Especially to young guys that still have all that juice and not enough experience to know better.

[Lawdog138]

They will allow you to chase for whatever. It’s up to the deputy’s discretion and the deputy can call off his chase if chooses. For me, I’m not chasing a shoplifter. You’re a cop killer, I’m catching you.

[509thSFS]

Pursuit, what's that? Is that when cops wore .38 revolvers and used callboxes? More seriously, it's very rare we pursue anyone (officially) anymore. Only if a violent felony has been interrupted. If they don't pull over, we just seize their car the next day as evidence and hold onto it for a couple years while we investigate. And it doesn't matter who owns the car. Sometimes the driver surrenders and confesses in attempts to get the family car back.

[Lawdog138]

Pursuit, what's that? Is that when cops wore .38 revolvers and used callboxes? More seriously, it's very rare we pursue anyone (officially) anymore. Only if a violent felony has been interrupted. If they don't pull over, we just seize their car the next day as evidence and hold onto it for a couple years while we investigate. And it doesn't matter who owns the car. Sometimes the driver surrenders and confesses in attempts to get the family car back.

It’s also good to know how to drive in a way where you know your limits, the limits of the vehicle, and how to find those apex lines so you can quickly get to the location of a cop shot or who is in a shooting or an active shooter in your child’s school. It’s not just about pursuit.

Like I said, if the crime isn’t greater than the risk of the chase, then you have discretion to not chase. There are busy business areas of the county and very rural areas of the county. I’m not chasing down a busy corridor at 4 pm for nonsense.

[Big country]

We had evoc training ever year and more often on our motorcycles. I would not get into a pursuit on the bike we could but had to back out as soon as cars got in then pull over and wait until over then go to apprehension area and then you had to make all reports of incident even though you really had no idea what happened it was asinine.

[Lawdog138]

What is also eye opening is the training of one department from another. I know the NYPD does their best with what they have, but any time there is training, it’s only a few instructors to 50-100 cops. It’s a mass production of training mentality. With a small department, they can get more hands on with each individual officer.

For this two day pursuit training, it was just me and another deputy and five instructors. There was about an hour of power point to explain state and department policy and everything else was hands on training.

[Big country]

We I retired most of our training was on line in the car my favorite was an Ewok training online. It was about distracted driving and you had to watch it on your in car computer how hypocritical you didn’t have time to mark out a service see you let it play in the background as you drove down the road glance at it, you can answer your questions at the end complete course.

[CPD39]

The BG's used to be more terrified of being caught then they were of being charged with the crime. I dont know why?

[uncivil servant]

Doing a two day course and I’ll never look at a turn, corner, or curved road the same again. Unlike the NYPD, this department teaches to pursue. Excellent training.

They teach how to see apex lines, to hit those apex lines and go through the course. They then throw you numerous chase scenarios so you learn to calmly go over the radio while chasing a bad guy at high rates of speed, and negotiating the track pushing the RMP to its limit. They will have civilian cars drive the track while you are chasing as well.

Wish this training was a week long.

Where was this training?

[509thSFS]

Nassau County has their EVOC training at Mitchel Field (Nassau Community College). That's where they filmed the tollbooth shooting in the Godfather movie.

[Lawdog138]

Where was this training?

Columbia County Sheriff’s Office on Camp Rd.

This is the track.